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Welcome to another exciting episode of Ravel Radio! I'm your host, Cara, and today, we have the pleasure of having Christine Agro join us.
Imagine harnessing your intrinsic energy to manifest the life you desire. Sounds quite intriguing, doesn't it? In this enlightening conversation, Christine Agro, an acclaimed clairvoyant and master energy worker, opens up about her journey of empowering others to tap into their inherent power and navigate the messiness of life.
Christine's expertise in energy work, spirituality, and business evolution offers us valuable insights to not only recognize when we're off our path but also to move in the right direction.
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TIME STAMPS
0:00 Empowering Others Through Intrinsic Energy Work
8:11 Spiritual Journey and Conscious Evolution
12:18 Navigating a Messy Life
16:56 Manifesting and Flow in Life
29:09 Shift to Feminine Energy in Business
45:02 Business Messiness, Embracing Change
58:11 Inspiring Conversation With Woman Entrepreneurs
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Speaker 2:I have Christine Agro here today on Ravvo Radio and Christine is a friend of mine from way back. I can't even remember how we met now, but she's an intrinsic energy worker, I know, I just got to thinking. I wonder how we? I can't remember.
Speaker 3:I don't remember how funny I feel like somebody connected us, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:I have to think about that because that's going to bug me.
Speaker 3:now it's going to bug me too.
Speaker 2:But yeah, somehow. Anyway, we're connected and we've worked together. And why don't you introduce yourself and tell the gals that Ravvo a little bit about who you are and what?
Speaker 3:you do. All right, I am Christine, agro or Agro. We're trying to shift it a little bit, so we're going with Agro, I think we are. Yeah, I think it's a family decision. Okay, well, christine.
Speaker 2:Agro is here with us today, then Thank you so much.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I consider myself a metaphysical expert or authority, I'm a clairvoyant, I'm a master, energy worker I don't take any of those titles lightly. I've been doing this for almost 25 years and through the process of doing this work, my internal or spiritual mandate was to gather my own information. So I haven't read anybody's stuff or taken classes from anybody since 1999. And the reason that that's important, or at least to me, is that when I hear other people talking about things that they're like oh, that's like so and so, or that I read that here. What I get from that is that it's a universal truth, and when something's universal truth, it is, there's an inherent aspect to it that lets us learn the information. So I've been gathering information by working with clients, working with students and doing my own work, and then, because I see everything as energy, I'm able to understand what we need to do in order to move beyond it. So one of the things that I see people do is that they gather the information and they know, but they don't actually take the next step of doing the work to clear it or heal it. And I think again, like in this bringing, I've been like a conduit for the collective. So I'm usually on the precipice of what we're going to be working on as a collective, in whatever way individuals choose to work on it. So we all have different ways that we approach things, but I think and I've been seeing it I think that what we're being asked to do is take that next step into actually doing the work, moving out of the knowing and into the. Okay, what do I do with this? How do I navigate it? What tools do I have? So that's my whole thing is to create tools around what it is that we're working on, so that we can actually move beyond them, and I call it intrinsic energy work. It took me 20 years to come up with that, 20 years of people saying so what do you do?
Speaker 2:I do intrinsic energy work. It sounds great.
Speaker 3:But you know it's like nope. That makes sense. So, and the way I see it is coming together of that clairvoyant piece of being able to see everything as energy and then create the tools and ultimately empower people to do their own work, because I think that, well, I know that if someone else is doing the work for you, eventually you're going to have to come back around to it and it's going to come back up. So it might feel great to have somebody do it for you in the moment, but the real growth and transformation happens when you learn how to do it yourself. So I love to just empower people to do it themselves. So that's just a little bit about me.
Speaker 2:I love that. You said that you were called to gather your own. Would you call it a mandate?
Speaker 3:You are called to gather your own. It's like an edict, yeah.
Speaker 2:Your own, your own info, and I'm so guilty of looking outside of myself for the answers. And then, even when I have them, I don't always employ the strategies to get to where I need to go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I think that. So, just to take a little weight off your shoulders, there You're going to stand that alone. I would say that I am in. If we've got a Venn diagram, I'm in a unique category of. That's my purpose. My purpose is to bring in information and figure out how to translate it, I think, through my Gemini Moon, so that people understand it. I think that that has really been my call from a higher level and a higher perspective is to. I took on that challenge. It's like, yeah, I like that. It's a good idea. I think that we do all have information inside of us, but what I know is that most people need a spark or information or guidance or path to help them access it. So I think for me, the difference in people who are working with me is that I'm constantly saying don't give me your power. You hold your power, you have the power. Here's the tools to do it. And then I work with people to support them in learning how to use those tools so that they can create their own change in their life, which is really powerful, because the things that happen in our life are happening, because at some level, they hold a key to what it is that we want to learn this lifetime. So if we and we can't learn, someone else can't learn our lessons for us. Like you can't learn someone else's lessons for them, I can't learn your lessons for you. And so when you actually step into that place of being like, okay, let me figure out, let me see what it is that I'm working on and then have these tools to be able to work on it, it creates actual growth, which a lot of people who work with me. They experience a quickness in their life. Things speed up because they're evolving. I like to say that my community is the rip the band-aid off group. We leap before we look, we're very, we just want to get to it. We want to get to the information, and those tend to be people who enjoy working with me.
Speaker 2:Do you think that when we so we're here to learn something I think I just had a ping when you were talking about that that I might have this like belief that if I learn the lesson I'm here to learn, that it's game over and I'm just done so like what, and I don't want that because I'd like to enjoy the lesson that I learned. Is that kind of how you think it goes, or is there another lesson? Is there always another lesson, or?
Speaker 3:Well, I think I mean there's three core life lessons that we're all working on in one way or another and can boil down to learning to validate yourself, learning to own your truth and learning to stand in your power. And I like to release I actually wanted to. If anybody wants to invest in something, I wanted to create a video game that was really about our spiritual journey.
Speaker 2:And I would play that game.
Speaker 3:Right, I mean, it's so, it's like it, just so. Here's the thing, right, If you think of it as a video game, we're on level one and we don't know that there's any other level. And we're going along and you hit these little moments that like, wake you up, you know, like, oh, there's more. And you find the staircase and you climb up and there's this level and you're like, okay, like I made it to the level. I made it, you know, I elevated myself, and you move along and you're, you're, you know living life, and you find these little things and the next thing, another staircases there, and you take the next level, or a door, and you, you like you go down a different path. And so I, I, you know, at some point, I think, as as spiritual beings, we do get to that point where we're like, okay, I'm done. What if we're all just?
Speaker 2:like sitting up in our energetic community somewhere else playing our own cells on a video game a spiritual video game. Yeah, I mean, I've had that thought.
Speaker 3:I think a lot of people have had the like you know, a similar idea of thinking that we're in assimilation, you know, and I get to the point where I'm like, okay, well, what if we are right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I'm picturing myself myself my big glowing Orbe self playing myself on earth and screaming at myself God damn it, kara, get your shit together. Like what are you doing? Stop falling down the pipes.
Speaker 3:Well, and really, I mean, if you look at, I look at the components of of who we are, so there's our physical existence, there's our soul memory, which holds, like, all of our lifetimes information and can oftentimes create a problem, because it does hold all of our lifetime information for a good reason, because when we're unconscious it's trying to remind us right, remember you did this, remember you didn't want to do this, don't go there, because last time, like that was a trap door, right. But when we step into consciousness, then we don't necessarily need to be carrying all of that soul memory because we're working on our life lessons consciously, so then we can clean up and clean out and sort of, you know, put into a holding pattern all that stuff that our soul has been carrying around, so that we can just live this lifetime as this lifetime. So there's so many things that help create freedom for us and expansion. And back to your question about like being afraid that if you like learn the lesson, that would be it. I just like, even today, so 25 years, in a couple of major awakenings, many small awakenings, I still have like moments where I awaken and I'm like, oh yeah, like there's like a whole other level.
Speaker 2:So it's sort of continual evolution.
Speaker 3:You know, and I think it's really like how much can you evolve in this lifetime? And our ultimate goal I believe this is what I teach and what I practice our ultimate goal is to evolve ourselves consciously to the point where we can be present as spirit in our body and then, when that happens, we have all the power of spirit, with the body as a vehicle right, so we can instantaneously manifest, we can transmit time and space, we can self heal, we can heal, but it gives us all of the power that exists at the spirit level in the physical form, and I believe that that's what we're working towards. We're working towards can we do this? And the long trajectory for it is because we tried to do it a couple of times just by dropping in and being conscious and evolved, and it doesn't work. Somebody had said something gosh, I wish I could remember who it was. I think it was like somebody notable. But the comment was when you have like five to ten people, you can talk everything out, but as soon as you get to like 300 people, then you need to have structure and rules and hierarchy and all of that. I think we've tried it, where we come in fully of all thinking that we would all just play Nice together, but then we don't and we destroy everything. Then it was like, okay, well, let's try this again and we'll take this long trajectory of trying to learn these three core life lessons which ultimately lead us to a place of purity of mind, purity of heart and purity of desire, so that what we think, when we have that ability to instantaneously manifest what we think, what we desire, comes out in a pure space, rather than us creating things. Because think about, how often do you think like, oh, like I want this, or if that happened, or what if you could actually manifest all that stuff? I mean it would be chaos.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how many times have I thought I wanted something that I really didn't end up wanting? Yeah, like because you just think in an instant, man, that would be so cool. But do I really actually? Is that what's in my best interest? Or the best interest of humanity or the collective? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Plus, if you were able to do that, it would take you off track with, if you're not, in that place of clear consciousness. It would take you off track of what you actually came here to do.
Speaker 2:And that feels like a good segue to what we are going to talk about today, because, christine, you're an interesting, interesting. I say interesting, you are a unique guest here, because I don't ever assume that I know what we're going to talk about and I know that you have the topic. It just whatever you think we need to talk about is what we're going to talk about. So before I started recording, I said what should we talk about? Christine goes, let's talk about messy. How might let me? What do you say?
Speaker 1:How messy life is.
Speaker 2:How messy life is and what we can do about it and I'm like that is perfect. I feel like every single person can relate to that. And so what's going on Like how should we think about life when it gets messy?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think, first of all, it's just helpful to know that life is messy. You know we're not failing. We did like, yeah, there's difficult times, things get hard. You know relationships are messy, business is messy, you know. I just I just had a client who I don't even know what happened, but her, you know her payment when I got paid through PayPal and then, but PayPal didn't get paid by her, so it's been digging her checking account while it keeps. I mean it's just a mess Weird, you know. So I mean it's like these things that just happen that can throw us and really, I think, put us into a tailspin. They can, I think, business-wise, they can put us on the couch under the covers watching.
Speaker 2:Netflix. Yes, I seem to be having a lot of conversations with women these days and I know this is kind of what I went through a couple of years ago and I know I'll go through it again. But it's this sort of in-between space, like maybe you're not where you should, maybe you're where you should have been for a little while, in business particularly and for some reason it doesn't feel like where you need to be now, but you're not really sure where you need to be is. And so you're in this in-between space where you know you have to do something, but you're not really sure what you should do about it. You're just not happy with what you're doing and you know that it's not what your purpose is at this point.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I would say I say start by identifying what you're looking for. Whether it's just an energetic quality, maybe you're looking for something meaningful and fulfilling. Maybe you're looking for something that is more financially supportive. Start identifying what it is that you're looking for.
Speaker 2:Like how you want to feel.
Speaker 3:I think, how you want to feel. I think, really, what we're talking about is manifesting, right? So when you start a manifestation, let's call it a project I believe it's best to start with the biggest umbrella possible. I look at it as a funnel. So you've got this funnel and if you create this wide opening that is expansive for your spirit to be like, okay, let me give you this, let me give you that, let me drop this into your space. What it does is it allows you to start to refine your manifestation, refine that intention and say, oh, I like this, but not this. Let me refine what it is that I'm asking for, and you go down the next level, right. So you keep putting out the intention. If you accept what isn't right for you, you've just told the universe I'll take this. There's my, my bar is right here, I'll take this thing. But when you actually stop and go, okay, I want to adjust this, this isn't quite right, and you toss it back and you wait for the next thing, then you start to create what it is that you want, by noticing what you don't want, what doesn't work, and that whole process of going through that is actually part of your journey to learn how to manifest what you want.
Speaker 2:So I feel like this is. This is why you and I get along so well. There's a lot of, there's a lot of information out there about manifesting and it's a lot of. It is very rigid and you have to be very specific about what you want and you have to create this vision and write it down and down to the color of the floorboards in the house you want and all these things right. Whatever it is, you're manifesting the characteristics of the true love of your life. But what I think I hear you saying is that it can be a little bit more experimental than that and you can open up and say this is how I want to feel and let the universe bring you what, what it, whatever that is, and you get to pick and choose and almost experiment with how that feels and how close that feels to what you want.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you know that is more. The one form of manifesting is very mental body ego will driven Right. I'm going to make this happen, whether it's in my best interest or not. Yeah, right, like I'm just gonna, I'm gonna make it happen and you can be in that funnel where you have like, because you get greater clarity as you move through the funnel, right. So right now I'm in a manifestation space where I'm probably like midway down through the funnel and I've got more specifics about what it is that I want to manifest. But I did just go through a similar like I don't know what I'm doing. Like I Spirit told me I'm done and I was like I don't know what to do with that. Like what do you mean I'm done? But it didn't actually like tell me, like what I was done with, and I was like totally freaked out. I like had to grieve it. It was like huge, it was messy, right, it was really messy, yeah, and fortunately I had tools. So I just kept working the energy, I kept clearing things out. I kept, you know, spending time grounding and looking at it. I opened up and I was like, okay, what does this mean? Like, bring me the information. Like what do you mean? I'm done, and so where I've settled with it is that the role that I was playing as a conduit for the collective to bring in new information, consistently new information, new information and done and Spirit's. Now, like you get to do what you want to do. So what do you want to do, like I don't know, Like that's kind of a really big question. Yeah, right, so I know that I love doing this work. I know that I don't want to create new programs every year because it's a lot, it's a lot of effort, right? So things are starting to. As soon as I start to have clarity. Now things are starting to shift in my business space and opportunities are coming, which is one thing I was going to mention. So, once we set out our intentions, we have to have inspired action. I love that phrase, inspired action. So we have to. We have to start to follow the threads that come, and some of them lead to dead ends. Theoretically, there's really no dead ends. It's just you know, you get to a place where it stops and then maybe another door opens over here and you walk over here. But that action leads you to whatever it is that you're going to create for yourself. And so it's following the threads. You get inspired to email someone, email them If nothing happens. You know, okay, nothing happened here. Something happened up here because we took the action step. So once you start to set out your intentions, you want to follow the threads. That's what I call it. So it's when you get a hit and you're like, oh, I should do that.
Speaker 2:Do it. I think I know what you're talking about, and then sometimes it feels like certain things start to happen and if I'm not paying attention, I don't notice that there's something in common with all these things that are happening, that are pointing to some direction or that.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:And then there's also, I'll notice I'm pushing in a direction that like things just aren't working. And I've just set my course and I'm doing this thing and it doesn't feel good. And then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, I'm going the wrong way. That's why this feels so terrible and nothing is working.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, and that's the. You know, those are like mini awakenings, that's what I call them. They're like little moments of like the light turns on where you go. Oh, okay, so when I'm pushing, when there's effort, when there's resistance and flow isn't existing, I'm not in the right place. And let me, let me now find where my flow is. Yeah, you know. So those are like, you know, those little, little moments of awareness that that are moments of growth and we miss celebrating them, right, because we're so focused on getting to whatever it is that we're trying to get to, we miss celebrating those moments of having having those levels of awareness. So, take a minute right now and celebrate.
Speaker 2:What's working in your? Life right now what feels good.
Speaker 3:Yeah Right, you know what? Are you asking me Like.
Speaker 2:I swear sometimes I'll be pushing like banging my head against the wall, trying to put together something on the computer or do something that I've decided I need to do that day and it's just not working. Like I always say, technology hates me on those days, or whatever. Mercury must be in retrograde or something right. But like I swear, nine times out of 10, if I walk away and just go do something for me or just take like go do something else that feels better, I come back and it's like the problem's fixed or something else really good has happened. That totally distracts me, so I don't care about that other thing anymore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you know. I just I was working on a series of posts on my website on about manifestation and sort of like the basic manifestation principles, and one of them is the difference between force and flow or flow and force right. And another one I think I wrote that is about the importance of play or, you know, having something, that doing things that you enjoy so not necessarily things that bring you joy, because sometimes I think it's our work that brings us joy, but then there's things that we enjoy doing Right, and so when we do the things that we enjoy, it creates flow, it opens up our space. We can't be all work and no play. I think as entrepreneurs and as women we tend to be we tend to be like grind, get it done, I'm going to, like I'm focused on getting this thing done or making this happen, and when you do that, your space gets more and more condensed, it just gets pressured and narrow. And so taking the time to go and do things that you enjoy actually opens you up and lets more come in and lets you do more. And it's interesting there was just in a Facebook group that I'm in Somebody. It was just like the perfect question, the perfect time. She said I finished everything on my to-do list and I'm not sure Should I do more or should I take a break. And I was like, oh my God, you should totally take a break, like you should celebrate that you got it all done and you should go do something. And there have been times in my business where I've grinded and not taken a break and it leads to burnout. 100% leads to burnout, makes you hate what you're doing, creates a whole lot of effort, like it just starts to feel heavy. And there have been times when I've followed that rule of here's my plan for the day and what I want to get done. If I'm done by two o'clock, I'm done. I'm done and I'm out doing something and it changes everything. And I think it's you know. I think we can get into a fear space of thinking that you know, if I'm not working on my business 24-7, then I'm not doing my business. But your business really shouldn't be consuming every second of your day.
Speaker 2:No, no. And I run into the problem now where I love what I'm doing and I love the communities that I'm building and the women that I'm interacting with, and it's all. I love to think about it and I love to like noodle on it and what I'm going to do next and what's happening and what should we do, and so it's not even. It doesn't feel like work, but I'm still obsessed. Yeah, like I still have to consciously be like okay, kara, think about something else. That's got to be more to life than just thinking about this.
Speaker 3:Well, and even just you know I did an interview with I think his name was Larry Rosen. He wrote the book I, I so eye disease, eye disorder, eye disorder Like there's internet, you know, or information, and he was talking about the brain and how, when we're constantly engaged with the screen whether it's our phone or the computer, the television, like whatever it happens to be our brain doesn't have time to reset, it doesn't actually stop, and we need that. As humans, we need that, and the easiest way to reset is to go outside.
Speaker 2:That's why I keep saying podcasting is the kindest form of content these days. It is so I can walk with my dog, I can wash my car, I can sit on the back porch and close my eyes and still, like, feel connected to the ideas that I'm interested in or, you know, whatever it is I want to learn about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I think. I think, though, even like, even still there, your brain is still engaged, so you just want to find that time where you're saying walk away like yeah, just connect, disconnect, total disconnect. Yeah, and it doesn't have to be for long. It just you know, maybe for an hour, maybe for a half hour, you know, just disconnect.
Speaker 2:That's hard.
Speaker 3:Birdwatch. You know like go and go and birdwatch, look for listen. You know like just.
Speaker 2:I remembered how we met by the way. You said Facebook, so I was writing an article about throat shock. I wanted to write an article about I remember. And what I felt, like my voice had been stamped out somehow. This was like three or four years ago maybe, and I sent out a an SOS on this Facebook group that we were in together. It was like a writer's health and wellness writers group and I asked hey, do we have any energy experts in here who could talk about the throat chakra? And you sent me back like all this great information and I never ended up writing the article. But we met so that's really what that was for.
Speaker 3:That's funny.
Speaker 1:I remember that yeah.
Speaker 3:It's funny how much, like you know, like, like, how much our relationship has has evolved and and not ebbed and flowed, but like we've, you know, we've ebbed and flowed into each other's lives, Right Like here and there, and the dynamic has changed too, because I was you were a client of mine for a little bit and now we're not working together professionally, but I think we're friends. So I think, we're friends?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't want to assume, but I like you. Do you like me?
Speaker 3:I do Check. Yes, yeah, no, I actually I really enjoyed the work that we did together. I, I it's always been very difficult for me to to define any of this, and like it's difficult for me to define it in my own vacuum, and so I did go through a period where I was trying to really understand you know who I was speaking to, why I was speaking to them. I'm not sure how much I actually, to date, have utilized that information, but I come back to it over and over again. Yeah, I come back to it over and over again. And what was interesting was that, as I was working with clients, I noticed, without you know me wanting to attract them, that that was who was showing up. I was like, oh, how fascinating is that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably. You probably just noticed it because you knew it's like when you decided by a car yeah, no, everywhere.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Like. It was like oh, I see it now, right, and it actually did. It changed my work, in a way, because it allowed me to. It allowed me to work with people at an even deeper level, which was pretty cool, right. So it wasn't just like a, like a marketing thing of, of, of, like what people? What's going on with people. I was actually able to take it into my work and be like here's how you deal with this.
Speaker 2:That's awesome, so you were able to connect in a deeper way with those people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, so that was. You know that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:That you know was unexpected, that came out of that that makes me feel better about the market, because I always I've said for a while now that I was a marketer who hated marketing and really what I liked about marketing at all ever was that it. It connected people Like it, it magnetized someone to something that they hopefully needed. Yeah, and this was. You know, marketing can be kind of icky and now that we're in such a busy, crowded digital age, it feels that way a little bit even more. I think that's probably somewhere tied to my purpose here is bringing bringing people together women specifically like so that they can connect and build relationships.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And whatever that looks like at whatever point in my life.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, you know, so much of the shift in the collective is is about the difference between sort of the masculine way of doing things and the feminine way of doing things, and the shift started like in earnest. It started maybe, I want to say maybe 10 years ago, Trying to think, when I was doing all the work with women stuff, Because, again, like that was my like, my purpose was to start to anchor things in as they were coming and and so the difference is like masculine does not mean male. There's this guy who wrote this whole blog post based on a blog post that I wrote about like how men must feel so or how boys must feel so awful to think that everything's their problem, and I was like at no point did I say male.
Speaker 2:You are. You are not even the point I was like but.
Speaker 3:but you can only know what you know when I get that yeah.
Speaker 2:Let's talk more about that because the business there's. Several other conversations I've had in the last couple of weeks have been about business and the masculine ways that we have traditionally done things and that there might see be some other ways to approach this that feel better for people who would appreciate a more feminine approach to business.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, let's talk about what the feminine energetic qualities are, I think, to start. And they are their collaboration, partnership, right, community, you know passion.
Speaker 2:It's less structure, right, it's less linear.
Speaker 3:Well, it's less linear. That's what it is. So the feminine energy works on a spiral. Oh I like that, Right? So the spiral, which is very interesting, and this is why I think we talked about this once, but I'm not sure you tell me if it rings a bell. Okay, that it's one of the reasons why women in conversation can be having five different conversations at the same time and stay on track, because when you're on the spiral, you can see everything that's going on, Right? But if you're speaking linearly which is typically a masculine trait which men will embody or are taught to embody because they're in a male body it's linear and it's one thing after the other and you don't. It's like that and it's like that. And when the aunt is walking forward, it only sees in front of it, it can't see up and it can't see behind itself unless it turns around. So it's just going to keep moving forward, Right? So that linear conversation you can't. You can if you, if I've dropped a, if I've dropped a little like tag here, and I've dropped a tag here, and I'm all the way up here and I go back to here. I can't see back that far. This person can't see back that far to pick up the conversation. But on that spiral, it's like oh, there it is, and there it is and there it is. So there's this fluidity to conversation, to creativity, to collaboration, where there's lots of things moving and shifting and they're all working together to create whatever is being created.
Speaker 2:I love that so much. I was just thinking about you because when we work together, I change the whole plan like halfway through our engagement, remember, and I use I don't say like I don't use your name, but I use you as an example and I talk about like how important it is for service entrepreneurs to have their ideal clients working with them, because I intentionally, when I was still doing that kind of work, you were such a great example of somebody who was okay with the way that I work, I I it was not linear. I could not point you to a plan that was step by step by step that we were going to do, and you were okay with that and we're like okay, I trust you, let's yeah, whatever you think and and we get there right. But it doesn't always look like how I think it's going to look, necessarily, and and that's just a very different way of thinking. But if I'm working with somebody who is very masculine, thinking in that way and needs feel safe with that sort of linear progression, it's going to be really difficult for us to feel good about working together.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I tend to, because I'm like this in my classes especially. So what I've done to date is every fall. Well, leading up to the fall, my birthday's in November, and so, leading up to my birthday, I start to bring in what programs Do you want me to teach, right, like what is the collective looking for? And so I used to do them, like I was constantly doing launches, which was like just draining and like creating, like landing pain, right. So I started I was like, okay, I'm just going to do like a birthday blitz bash thing in November, and and people can get this package or this package or all of it, and some of it's done, like already done, some of that stuff that I'm going to be doing in the new year. And people basically buy into it, knowing that, knowing me, and knowing that something's going to shift Right, and but ultimately knowing that what they're going to get out of it is way more than what they put into it, like if they were to, if they were to buy things piecemeal throughout the year, they're going to get way more value by by blindly stepping into, you know. And plus, it sets up their work for the year, which I've always liked. So, but there was always that little note that I have which is, like you know, these are, these are programs that aren't finished, they're not ready yet and things may change, you know, and things have changed. I did, and I think for people well, I don't know if they think it's for the better, but originally I was going to do this year. All this information came in about soul evolution, which I just love, and I said it was a 12 month. It was a 12 week program because it was going to go through each of the zodiac One week at a time, and by the time it started to come around, I was like, oh, my God, this is like a 12 month program, like we're doing each zodiac each month. And originally it was the un evolved and evolved energies of each of the zodiac each month. And then, the next thing, I knew there are 6 modules in each month, because I was like, oh no, like we can actually look at the chakras for each zodiac, we can look at the planet for each zodiac and we can use that all to do our own growth work. So so that's one of like I always need a container, or I'd like to have a container to do the work in. So could be anything, but the planet's really, I think, or the zodiac really is a nice container, because because really they are there. Our zodiac stuff is really the path, the plan that we came in this lifetime with, like, what do we want to work on? How are we going to work on it? Well, it's all there in the zodiac. It's not about. It's not about being like, oh, this is going to happen and I got to like you know, I don't know steal myself or like Next Tuesday, the moon is in Taurus.
Speaker 2:Stay home Right, it's not about that at all it's really about.
Speaker 3:It's really about the out of all the evolved energies of that sign that tells you what you, what you wanted to, what you want to shift in this lifetime, what you want to learn, how you want to grow, how you want to evolve and where that leads you to. And so even now, like as I were in, we're working on Gemini and the program is shifting. You know, as we're in it, next year it'll be, it'll be solid inside. I think it is going to be a program that I'm going to run every year Because I really like it. It's amazing.
Speaker 2:Does it start once a year or do you bring in cohorts?
Speaker 3:I was going to do like a rolling admission right now I, I, I shelve that and it's going to be their cohorts. So right now we're in the Crimson cohort and then next year there'll be a new cohort, and so initially my thought was that I could just do rolling and bring people in, and I think I think, for now, the next step is a new cohort next year, although I'm always open if there's like people who want Special, special cohort. Yeah, yeah, always open for that. But yeah, it's. It's been really amazing and so, even like, as I was putting the information together, I was getting more information about about what this program actually is. I realized that each of the Zodiac has like a higher, higher purpose evolution to it. So right now, with Gemini, it's about. It's about accessing and being able to communicate spiritual wisdom, right. So there's these higher levels. And so Taurus was, taurus was nice. Taurus is spiritual and spiritual and emotional fulfillment, right. So it's about, if you look at all of the traits and things that Taurus navigates, it's it's about how they fill themselves or don't fill themselves, and that higher evolutionary piece is ultimately spiritual fulfillment. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:So each of the Zodiac signs, then if you're like a Taurus, that's, those are the types of lessons you're working on, or the types of paths that you should be walking to fill your purpose, or so so each Zodiac sign has an unevolved, has unevolved characteristics and evolved characteristics.
Speaker 3:So I think some people will call them negative traits and positive traits, but I see them as a continuum. So in the in the unevolved, space is usually when we're unconscious, we're unaware. The more aware we become we start to work on those and we move to evolve traits. Because we've done this many lifetimes. We actually carry all of them, like pretty much all of them right, and we absorb other people's lessons, we take on things from people around us. So in a sense we are working on all of it, but we do come in with a plan of like here's my core thing of what I want to work on evolving. But I think it gets messed up, I think life is messy. Back to the theme here. And it, you know, it gets like, you know, that soul memory piece is carrying all of that and things get triggered and things get get activated and so we really are working on, in some ways, all of it. Like I knew, you know, my students going through this program and I, you know, I just I adore them because again, they stepped into a program not knowing really what it was going to be and it went from this little program to this like massive program. And you know they're in it and they're like, oh my God, like I did not even, I can't, like I didn't even think that I would have so much in this one area and it's so much moved and shifted right. It's just like you know they're, they're surprised and I'm surprised. I was just recording the evolved aspects of Gemini and I found things myself. I was like, oh, that's so surprising, because as I'm teaching, I'm doing the work too, because I'm always looking at what's going on and how is you know what's going on with me and what's going on with students, whether and this is sort of one of the weird things whether you're in the program right now or you're going to be in the program a year from now, I can see that right. So I'm like there'll be times where I just shift on the fly because I'm like, oh, wait a minute, right, the whole scene just went whoop and I got to do something different. So I do. But anyway, that's the I really, I really love that program. So just back to you know being flexible and I think in your business, if you're, do you like how I found the thread? You did. I was going to send your team.
Speaker 2:That's what a lot of us struggle with, I think, in businesses, that we think and there's a great illustration of this that I've seen and it's a box and there's a straight line up from the bottom left hand corner to the top right and it's an arrow and it says what we think business should look like.
Speaker 1:And then what?
Speaker 2:it really is is the next scene and it's this big messy like tangle that eventually turns into a straight line in the end. But I would wager there's probably some wiggles at the end too. Like it just we just don't know. And I've really tried to embrace experimenting in the last couple of years and just being okay with, like, if something doesn't work the way I think it's going to work, I'm still going to learn something from it, about myself, about where I'm going, and even though that's not the linear, maybe organized, structured way of thinking about it, maybe the masculine business way, maybe there's a different way to think about it and it won't feel so frustrating.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know for myself the way I've always looked at it as an ebb and flow, because I've always had many things have like going at once and I'll work on this, and I'll work on it as long as it's flowing forward, and then when it stops, I'll go over here and I'll work on this and it'll flow forward. Eventually. I circle back to all the things. So, in part, when I look at it for myself, I think it's because I kind of in the future sometimes and I bring in ideas that maybe, maybe, are really future ideas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're not ready, they're still baking.
Speaker 3:It's not time for them? Yeah, it's not time for them. Sometimes I bring in things that aren't even mine. I've had a number of instances where I've been like, oh, that's such a great like I get this idea. Usually they're in the shower. I call it the shower, right, shower inspirations, right. So being in the shower and I'll get this like amazing idea and it doesn't take me long to implement something Like I'm very quick, I just I'm very quick to do things. So, for example, this was years ago when I was working with moms. I had this idea to do momma scouts, and momma scouts was giving ourselves badges for achieving certain things, like the Betty Crocker badge. When you like, pull off some like amazing recipe that you've always wanted to cook. Or like you know something for your kid, Like I had done a dinosaur birthday party for Kayden and I created like a cake that was dinosaur bones and I made the I don't even know. I made the cookie patterns and I cut out the cookies and I baked them and I made the cake and it had like cookie crumbles for dirt and like it was this crazy cake. And then I had the dinosaur cupcakes and I mean it was just wow, deserved the Betty Crocker.
Speaker 2:I would just be happy to get the laundry badge that said I actually folded the laundry and put it away, instead of dumping it in and out of the laundry basket all week long looking for what I need.
Speaker 3:How many times have you taken, how many times have you taken the clean laundry and rewashed it, just because you didn't fold?
Speaker 2:it. I don't do that. I'm pretty sure my son Parker, I'm pretty sure Parker does that. But we have two very distinct baskets. I do find myself like I'll go to find some clean laundry and I'll be like that's not clean, but it's just a piece or two usually.
Speaker 3:No, if I go, I've actually taken it out of the dryer.
Speaker 2:Oh my God. So the moral here is that it's not just business that's messy.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh. Yeah, but so the whole idea was that you know you could just give yourself badges, you could create whatever badge you wanted, and the minute I released it, one of the major women's magazines so three months out for women's magazines, right, they're doing their editorial stuff and the minute I released it, like the next day, one of the major women's magazines comes out and what is like the middle spread is this like badge thing for moms? And I was like, oh my God.
Speaker 2:So you caught someone else's idea.
Speaker 3:I did. I caught someone else's idea and I was like oh, but you know, let's look at the light bulb or the telephone. Who was it? Marconi and Edison, right, working on the same thing to completely different locations, and, like you know, Elizabeth Gilbert's book Big Magic.
Speaker 2:She talks about that and how she thinks that like ideas are just kind of floating around and if you catch one it's your like. If that's an idea for you, you have to do something with it, because otherwise it'll just go find someone else to implement.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean well, and I think you know we could look at it as a like again a collective consciousness thing of you know. This information is there to help the collective evolve in some way, and so the collective wants it to be found by somebody and yeah, it's like you know who wants this Right?
Speaker 2:But even if you had hung on to that idea and were so passionate about doing it, it would have turned out different than whatever that other person did.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:There's no way you guys would have done the same thing. And if you had pulled it off and you had gone that direction, it would have only meant that the universe needed more than just one person doing that thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. But what I found is that when that happens, for me there's no, there's no traction with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you knew pretty right away like oh this is a great idea, but this is not my idea, right?
Speaker 3:This is not for me, right?
Speaker 2:Exactly that happens to me all the time I'm like oh, my God, you know what we could do. I said could.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:This is a great idea for someone else.
Speaker 3:Right, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, oh, that's so hard, that's so hard it is. It's a little hard. Hard learned lesson. Well, I would love to. I would love to direct everyone to your quiz, if that's somewhere you'd like them to go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love your soul evolution assessment. Sure, that would be great. So the thing to know about the soul evolution assessment is you're going to get a primary like this is the, this is what you're working on the most, but the the additional like here's, where you've got stuff going on, is equally as important. But so it's not. It's not like, oh, I just have to focus on this. I mean, sure, you can just focus on this, but it's really an understanding of like okay, I've got stuff in all of these areas that I can be, I can be working on to help evolve my soul, because that's really in the depth of us. That's what we want. We want to evolve ourselves and learn. When we evolve ourselves, what ends up happening is that we create flow in our life and sprites ease.
Speaker 2:That's like all I want. Like when I was growing up, all I, like my dad, would always wish on a star and he would say he would say wish for the same thing every time happiness, right. I don't think, like I used to think, that's what I want. I just want to be happy. But I think what I want is ease. I want it to feel good, even when it's hard. I think it should feel good.
Speaker 3:And I feel like that's what my work offers people is how to be the calm and the chaos right, no matter how messy it gets. Having the ability to understand it, to process it, to pick it apart and then to have tools to navigate. It helps to create that even relief, ease relief, it's like you know, it's just that, like I'm okay. And you know, in all honesty, this year has been really challenging for me. We've had so much stuff going on. We went to Florida and the day that we were leaving the alarm company called to tell us there was a fire in our house.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, was everything okay, I'm laughing about it.
Speaker 3:Right, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2:What else are you going to do?
Speaker 3:You're on your. You're like. I was like so Immediately, we're like, oh my God, like fire department's going to come, they're going to knock down the door, the cats in the house, because nobody was there to open the door. So fortunately, against my husband's desire, we got somebody to come and check in on the cat. I had an auto feeder for her, but I didn't want to just leave it. I wanted somebody to come in and check on her. So we hired this, a neighbor who's like 20, to come and check in on them every her, every like day. He didn't really have to do anything, he just had to open the door and make sure the food was okay. I didn't care if he saw her, I just wanted her to. So they had the key, they were the only ones in it. So he calls him. He wakes up. He's like half asleep, he's not registering. He calls his dad and his dad jumps in the car without any shoes on, drives over, gets here just as the fire department was getting ready to like knock the door down, opens the door. The furnace was on fire, oh wow, it had gone dry and it just like there's some I don't know, there's a whole thing. So then we're thinking like, oh my God, like this is going to cost a fortune. You know our kids in college. But I stayed in that space of like it's okay, like it's going to, it's okay, like it always is okay, and the insurance company ended up paying for it. We got a brand new boiler. We got a brand new water heater. You know, probably like if it just if it had just died, then we would have had to pay for it. But because it was this like minor catastrophe, you know that was contained. So and then this was. I know we've got to wrap up. This was one of the boy, our guys, who was in the basement that came to give us a quote and I hear him say my husband's name is Chuck and I hear him say Arthur, everything happens for a reason. So it's just become this like you know, sort of catch up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Having an Arthur kind of day.
Speaker 3:Everything happens for a reason. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, I mean everything. We could spend a lot of time talking about everything happens for a reason in the different ways we could take that, but but anyway having to do a whole podcast series on things people say and just dissecting them like everything happens for a reason or yeah, I like to. I mean, I look at a lot of those things as platy. Everything is energy, Right. I look at them as platitudes almost, where we just sort of say them but we don't really stop to think about what it means. You know what is, what is underneath it. So, yeah, I would love to do that.
Speaker 2:You never know.
Speaker 3:It's an idea we might hang on to it, we might not.
Speaker 2:It may not be ours. Thank you, I'm going to tell everyone to go see you on Instagram at Christine Agro, christine Agro, and I'm going to put the link to your Soul Evolution assessment in the show notes, and I think we'll probably be doing this again.
Speaker 3:Oh, I would love to do it. It's been really great.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. All right, thanks, christine.
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